Vaccine......Yes or No?

FDA has some good but not so good qualities. I wouldn’t always go by what the FDA approves and doesn’t approve. Eventually these vaccines will all be approved more than likely, we’re just in emergency mode to try to get back to normal faster rather than later (since most people can’t be bothered to social distance, wear a mask and just stay home).

Also, if you only ate apples and oranges, you’d probably already be dead due to lack of all the other nutrients required by your body. :wink:

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I agree FDA is terrible and has probably approved things it shouldn’t have. That makes it even worse they haven’t approved these vaccines lol. Honestly, I don’t know what’s up with the FDA, they are a government agency… how they haven’t been forced to be onboard yet is miraculous.

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I did some reading on the use of the term “Natural” once in foods and how the FDA uses such a term. One would think anything natural (I think of it being organic) is something that is found on earth, without any assistance of man made processes etc but here’s the FDA’s take on the term natural, which if you ask me, is pretty effing flawed… it’s just another way to give people a sense that what they’re putting in their body is safe because the packaging says “natural” on it… which is just utter bullshit for the most part:

“From a food science perspective, it is difficult to define a food product that is ‘natural’ because the food has probably been processed and is no longer the product of the earth. That said, FDA has not developed a definition for use of the term natural or its derivatives. However, the agency has not objected to the use of the term if the food does not contain added color, artificial flavors, or synthetic substances.”

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From the national vaccine information center

Read some of the write ups

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=1&PERPAGE=10&ESORT&REVERSESORT&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&DIED=Yes&fbclid=IwAR2rBWzmzUUh-5eWc3N4gp6PV3aEnpIyzAX0Oazu32g8hzrPHqKfVmflV1M

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This is a reasonable thing to do, but I’m not sure this database allows us to actually disentangle whether, or to what extent, there are confounding variables.

Here’s some of the first page of patients:

Current Illness: End stage renal disease with dependence on renal dialysis, COPD, cirrhosis of the liver, hypokalemia, gout, heart failure, hyperlipidemia, atrial fibrillation.
Preexisting Conditions: Refused dialysis frequently resulting in episodes of hypokalemia and hospitalization, resident dependent on supplemental oxygen. The resident refused to go to dialysis on 12/23/2020 and said he was feeling fine.

Other Medications: risperidone daily doxazosin
Current Illness: dementia declining oral intake
Preexisting Conditions: history of aspiration pneumonia BPH

Preexisting Conditions: dementia, aphasia, type 2 DM, iron deficiency, asthenia, osteoporosis, polyneuropathy, anxiety, MDD

Write-up: Resident in our long term care facility who received first dose of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine on 12/22/2020, only documented side effect was mild fatigue after receiving. She passed away on 12/27/2020 of natural causes per report. Has previously been in & out of hospice care, resided in nursing home for 9+ years, elderly with dementia. Due to proximity of vaccination we felt we should report the death, even though it is not believed to be related.

Which is to say, it doesn’t seem like this database by itself can offer any information on the shot as either a proximate or ultimate cause of death.

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This is an issue with “natural” vs “man-made.” Cake is man-made. Uranium is natural. mRNA is natural, the pieces that make it up are natural. The reader of the instructions in our cells is natural. The human that designed the instruction sequence is natural. :wink:

Thank you. That was rather informative for myself. :beers:

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I got the Astra Zeneca vaccine. :man_shrugging:. I’m a man of science. I have 100% faith in our global scientific community. Wholeheartedly.

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This. Countries where the general populace is not caught up with extremely divisive politics are doing quite well in the sense that the public, for the most part, is united against stopping the virus by any means necessary - lockdowns, social distancing, masks, vaccines.

But then, there’s places like America :man_facepalming: … Where everyone is a doctor and a scientist via make believe degrees that they obtained online within their personal echo chambers.

Anyways - We’re all gonna be fine.

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I got my Doctorate on Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!

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You can do that? :wink:

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It’s always baffled me how people who don’t trust the science behind a vaccine, are more than fine with getting in their car (a product of science, and essentially a bomb / Missle), or an airplane (sky bomb, also working on scientific methods), or trust their phones that we all communicate with (hand bombs brought to us by science), or the furnace in their house (another big a$$ science bomb), or the red hot electricity that you run through the dry wooden studs of your house (science fire anyone?)…and the myriad of other daily things that science brings to our daily lives that everyone blindly trusts (with damn good reason). :man_shrugging: I digress.

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You mean the science where they use the scientific method of testing? These vaccines got a free pass from all that.

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Trust me, if they just invented airplanes this year and said aw heck let’s skip the normal testing procedures and rush these things out… I wouldn’t be stepping on an airplane for many moons. :man_shrugging:

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Ayahuasca cures all :grimacing:

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Doctor, scientist and engineer reporting in

I will not be taking a non-FDA approved vaccine for a virus that poses no risk. The risk of taking the vaccine is substantially greater than not taking it (for me!).

What happened to freedom of choice for what I put in my own body?

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Here’s how I look at the big overall picture of when it comes to vaccines and modern medical science…

Because of modern and medical science, there is only around 7 deaths on average per 1000 live births. Go back to 1800 and it was close to 462 deaths per 1000 births. Even in 1900 it was a staggering 238 per 1000 births resulted in death.

That means, if we didn’t have the science we have today, almost half of you people on these forums right now wouldn’t even be alive to discuss if the vaccine is a yes or no for you.

Now, lets not dicuss the stats of if you survived if you lost your momma during child birth… :wink:

Got Science? Yes please. Nuff said.

Normal testing procedures were not skipped. Phase one, two and three clinical trials were performed, and the data was analyzed in the expected statistical fashion. From there, that data was presented to the FDA.

Who here is arguing that science is bad?

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