300 is the first full Venom STORY.
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And full appearance. A face in the shadows and one page of the character is not a full appearance
Does Venom appear on this card?
Figures in shadows (X-Factor 5), Hands (Jessica Cruz) donāt equal appearances and is what the manipulatory market considers a ācameoā. The market also doesnāt call X-Men Annual 14 Gambitās first appearanceā¦
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Does Cable appear in this image?
Then why isnāt everyone calling New Mutants 86 the first appearance of Cable?
Itās not a manipulatory market, itās weak, bullsh*t rhetoric.
The Cable image above is a cameo at best, as is Amazing Spider-Man 299.
I own an Amazing Spider-Man 299 too and Iād love it to be the 1st Venom, itās just not.
The image of Cable above tells you very little about the characterās appearance. He could in a wheel chair for all we know.
The images of Venom from 299 tell you what you need to know about his appearance. Furthermore, he is in multiple panels, interacts with MJ, and is named.
This ISNāT about owning one book or the other, its simple logic. You can say " 300 is full" if you wish, but the printed record will show that Venom first appeared in ASM 299.
I mean, if weāre going by CGC standards then Mighty Avengers 10 is the first appearance of Thane and Infinity 4 is absolutely nothing special. Look that one up and then fit your square formula into that round hole. Ditto Gambitās appearance.
That makes no sense. It shows you all you need to know about cable. By your logic, Venom could be thought to have roller skates on or peg-legs for feet. Equally as stupid.
Also by your logic and since you brought up hands as a viable cameo, then Amazing Spider-Man 298 would be the first.
Look at that, youāre still wrong. Isnāt this fun?!
Either way, we arenāt going to agree on this topic and itās soon going to result in more pettiness than weāve already written. Iām done if you are
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Itās not ācuckingā to CGC, itās having eyes and using them. Like I already said, we arenāt going to agree and youāre getting quite defensive so enjoy your opinion and your book, but telling people to think for themselves then getting pissy when they do is f**king ridiculous. Try to calm down.
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Hereās a question. Why does this matter when the market has clearly decided 300 is the book?
Buy what you like and be happy.
Now letās all agree 252 is Venomās first and never speak of this again.
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I have no idea why it matters. In fact, I donāt think it does, but apparently I felt strongly about it.
If we followed agentpoyoās standards, we would never argue or debate this. Weād call them like they really areā¦ first appearance, second appearance, third appearanceā¦
Cableās first appearance was New Mutants 86 just as Venomās first was 299 while the symbioteās first was in 252 (sorry D-Rog, Venom is the personality of the symbiote and the host). The market just decides which one is the more desirable issue, thatās all it does. The higher valued book doesnāt decide the first appearance of a character.
299 is a first. Iām not overly hung up about it as I lack 299 or 300, but 299 is totally Venom right there clear as day.
I gave up with understanding people in the hobby & their buying habits about 20 years ago. Interestingly enough that is roughly when CGC began. Go figure.
That said, I just follow the masses now. Whether it makes sense; doesnāt make sense; is pure lunacy and stupidity. Donāt care. If someone says Spider-Man 297 because Venomās booger is in the back and if thatās what everyone wants now; then you can be darn sure thatās what Iāll be looking for on the cheap. So I donāt really care anymore what is 1st, cameo, appearance or any other word.
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Same here, why I just call them as they are with the most accurate description of, did they appear or not? Yeah, they did, is it first time? Second time or 3rd time? Well then, what is everyone else buying? Oh, the second appearance! Great, Iāll buy that one too, give me some extra to flip so I can buy the first appearance as well since itās dirt cheap.
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Yep. Thereās been times in 20 years one figuratively (not literally) wants to smash their heads against the wall upon observing such fallacy and nuttiness on this topic or any other kooky comic related topic.
So be it. Be a dope and Iām good with that as long as Iām aware of the dopey trend and can capitalize on it.
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If youāre going to treat venom like a host character putting on a costume (Eddie + skin) then clearly that costume was on in issue 298. And therefore the true first.
Unless you want to refine your Agent Poyo criteria a little more tightly and start assigning which body parts need to be seen, and what type lighting is present on those body parts.
Just kidding about 252, though. We all know itās really 258 as thatās the book that identifies the costume is a living entityā¦
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I think you meant Avengers #10, not Mighty Avengers. I pick up copies of both to cover my bases. I also pickup Infinity #6 Design & Young Variants as theyāre Thanes first cover appearance.
Wait, we care about Thane again?
Shit, forgot about that one. So yeah, thatās first. 299 is second. 300 is 3rd. 
If they appear and are known to the reader/viewer despite knowing their name, then itās an appearance. Basically if we know they exist, itās an appearance if they can be seen, dialogue, etc.