Web of Spider-man has no spec. Pass.
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fart noise
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If he gets mad at me, Iâll delete it
The incentive is still selling for well over ratio. Good if you got it cheap enough, like from tfaw
Donât hold back info if itâs known⊠thatâs the reason we created the forums, to discuss and share updates, news, etc.
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It needs to be doing $40 to $50. Itâs based off a $7.99 comic so it cost twice as much to get in as a $3.99 comic so it should be getting double ratio from many places just to be normal. Web of Spider-man #1 25 qty ratio cost over $100 just to get a copy in the door. $7.99 times 26 divided by 2 equals $103.87. If you went thru Diamond with the lower discount it cost even more plus shipping.
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Thatâs not how this works.
If a shop sold 150 of the book, theyâre enjoying higher margins on those sales and also can move the ratios at a nice FMV bonus in addition.
Ratio price is not a law regulated by the federal government. Plenty of ratios move well under their âratio priceâ the week of release. Shops donât care because they should have made money on selling the open orders already and a ratio just goes for whatever someone is willing to pay.
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The cheapest one on eBay is $40 and itâs sold for higher
They will be gone by tomorrow
the two VF copies are Gone.
Itâs how it works for a lot of places. Two items that have differing costs to acquire should have differing costs to sell.
This particular case only had the one ratio. In other cases there will be multiple ratioâs available in which case stacking the ratio math easily makes it possible to offer them for less. They can also easily go under ratio and be expected to right up front. Thatâs information that is important to know when ordering.
A simple example, we ordered 1,200 Return of Wolverine #1âs.
That came with 1-1000, 1-700, 2-600, 2-500, 3-400, 4-300, 6-200, 12-100, 24-50, and a whole herd of two different 25 ratioâs.
We knew going in that even though it was a $4.99 cover price comic, there was enough ratioâs to stack the math and drive the selling price at the time way down below ratio = price.
There are reasons ratioâs move well under ratio on week of release but barring unusual circumstances, you can look at the cost of a comics cover price and the number of different ratios and other covers available before FOC and have a pretty good feel for where many listing will be going up at from smaller shops. As always, there will also be those who just drop them right out on the shelf at cover price because they expect to move enough of the base covers that they make their money that way.
If Web of Spider-man #1 isnât getting listings at close to double ratio or higher for a comic with a cover price that high and no other ratioâs to go with it then it would be unusual. Marvel 2nd printing ratioâs are the same way. If itâs a $3.99 comic they have many come out the gate at double ratio so the cost of the comics to get them are covered selling the ratio they hope. If itâs 2nd printing ratio of a $7.99 comic itâs going to be ordered lighter and offered the same or even higher in many cases. âRatio price is not a law regulated by the federal government.â Itâs regulated by cost for many places and those numbers are available before FOC for you to have an idea what to expect. As always, there will be a chance about a year out for stores to have a shot at leftovers at discounted prices increasing the supply and watering down asking prices. Supply and demand also comes into play after street date. If stores that purchased expecting to ask a specific price donât get it, they may start to come down some or even dump. Itâs always a gamble and a risk which lowers the # of stores chasing ones like this one. In general though, Spider-man is a fairly low risk. Hang it on the window in the store and someone will eventually pay any price you place on it. There will be those who laugh, those who criticize, those who shop for it elsewhere but if you only have one, it only takes one customer to want it. I do this with milk all the time. I can go over to the gas station close to me and be almost certain to get 1 half gallon for about $5.50. If I have extra time and want to walk 8 more blocks and carry it back that far, I can walk to the Dollar store and hope they actually have a bottle left. Much better price but they sell out frequently. Same thing with bread. $3.75 at the corner store gas station. $1.25 at the dollar store if I take the extra effort and they havenât sold out. Know your sellers. If you time it right you may be one of the people getting a copy from mega comic discounter ordered prefoc. If you missed out, you may get lucky and find it close to that on release but donât be surprised when itâs at numbers you should have expected based on the information provided before FOC. When something costs twice as much, people generally try to get twice as much for it. Whether they do now, or 6 years later is up to the market and their level of patience. I sold a 400 ratio for Return of Wolverine #1 about a month and a half ago. Iâve had ratioâs for Spidey All Ages titles sell at ratio years after release. Thereâs always going to be someone who eventually wants something with Spidey on the cover.
Shops donât care because they should have made money on selling the open orders already and a ratio just goes for whatever someone is willing to pay.
A comic sells for the price you put on it or you wait until someone comes along willing to pay that price. Youâre confusing larger stores with large numbers of presales and preorders with others that donât have that. There are many different reasons for smaller stores to purchase ratioâs. The general idea though, is by the time the dust settles, the ratio sells and enough of the comics you purchased to get it sells to at least break even. Take Web of Spider-man #1 again for example. If you got close to double ratio of say $40 for it, then you still need to sell about 9 copies at cover price just to get back to the break even point. Thatâs not making money, thatâs just trying to break even and getting 9 people to grab a $7.99 cover price comic in a smaller market isnât always easy or should it be expected to be quick. As such I didnât order a copy or anywhere close to enough open orders to qualify.
Another one coming up to watch for, Blood Hunt Red Band #1. $6.99 cover price. Only one ratio, only one cover to qualify for it so I expect a similar situation where it comes out getting asking prices above ratio. If you can secure a copy now from one of the discounters at ratio go ahead and grab it. Odds are itâll be over and I ordered a copy myself since I had a decent number of Red Band orders. Iâm expecting to put it out between $35 to $50. Iâll decide that week but knew that when ordering.
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Didnât read all but the driving factor is demand. The fact fewer small shops had the preorders or stretched means the supply is lower which drives the book âabove ratio.â Also, itâs a Spidey âkeyâ book which means there was demand that drove the desire to buy the book at a premium. Ratios with subpar art can sink demand. Likewise, great art or cover key art can bolster demand. Exclusives can tank FMV for ratios on release. These are all demand factors. Cover price is a supply factor but does not set the demand.
Cover price leads to the supply of the ratios reduced but doesnât guarantee a demand for the ratios. ASM 31 was a $9.99 book and its 1:100 sold for $40-60 on release.
More and more account holders are trying to price based on what they think the demand will be. If demand doesnât overcome the supply, then the price will drop. Some list them based on their buy in and they just sit there until they do a sale. Less and less care to pay any attention and just list them to help cover some of the costs. Ultimately, it all comes down to each placeâs strategy or needs. But, that doesnât mean they will or will not sell for the asking price
As already mentioned, many small shops had the price in mind prior to even ordering it.
Also, itâs a Spidey âkeyâ book which means there was demand that drove the desire to buy the book at a premium.
Absolutely but in most cases the art was als0 known prior to ordering. A simple example there, my regular passed on Bloodhunt because the Artgerm Tigra wasnât interesting to him nor the Black Panther cover on the 100. I didnât order a bundle for that issue but if I had, the pricing would have been placed as already mentioned in the above details you didnât read. You start pricing where you want to be. You canât go up after a sale so in general, you shouldnât start on the low end for asking price.
This is a discussion of upfront base pricing as it should be expected to be and in this case, it is about where most people would expect it to listed at. Demand, if it was actually occurring would be driving the price closer to covering the cost of getting the book in the door which it isnât so far. Thereâs still hope itâll get closer to triple digit range as the low ballers run out of copies but whether it does or doesnât, itâs already right about where it was expected to be getting listings for.
ASM 31 was a $9.99 book and its 1:100 sold for $40-60 on release.
I didnât follow that oneâs progress, but it sounds like itâs about what should have been expected. $9.99 cover price made it over a $500 buy in to chase but for those who did, they also got two 50âs and four 25âs as well as 5 open order covers to dilute the order thru. My expectation would have been that that particular issue priced itself out of the small shop market leaving it mostly in the hands of larger sellers that had enough orders for the 5 basic issues to cover the costs of getting it in the door as weâve already mentioned. These are all known and predictable. If I had brought it in at all it would have been on a $500 bundle preorder which wouldnât be reflected in whatâs showing up on E-Bay. You may not be aware of these bundles but Iâm sure Iâm not the only store that will get anything someone wants if theyâre spending enough to cover the cost of getting it in the door. Harley Quinn 30th Anniversary had 1 100 ratio on a $9.99 comic and itâs got multiple listing over double ratio right now Iâm looking at on E-Bay. My copy left as part of a package bundle. The price of the bundle covered getting it in the door. Everything sold since then has been profit. At the same time people are trying to get more than double ratio for the 100, the 25âs and 10âs are seeing listings as little as cover price. I had no trouble getting asking price for my 25âs and extra 50 at the time. It still sells a shelf copy every so often at cover since it was a special issue with 10 covers that ended up with its own area. ASM 31 wouldnât have gotten that treatment. Itâs just another spider book that should be displayed with the other ASMâs.
Another example, Venom 35 another $9.99 comic. Sold a bundle with the 500 that covered the cost of getting it in the door by customer request. With so many covers for the issue it was an easy one to build a bundle for. With the cost covered by a customer up front, there was no need to push the asking price beyond ratio for the leftovers. There are enough covers and ratios to make a decent profit. At this point Diamondâs already released overage so flooding the market in the short term has the 100 asking prices down as low as $25. Thatâs not unusual at all. That doesnât mean others have to lower their price. Eventually the supply of low ball copies should gradually dry up. Itâs Venom.
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Isnât it Miles #10 that HightTail has a first app? I def could be wrong.
1st appearance #6.
1st cover #10.
How are you guys feeling about the Manhanini cover of Ultimate Spider-Man 4 with Gwen on the cover? Anticipating any heat there?
Yes. Donât order any till after FOC. Lol
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