In my case I knew it was wrong to claim it was for a person who doesn’t exist but it was out of my mouth before I knew it. In my defense the seller got the same amount either way and went away with the feeling of doing something good. Will I play on a persons emotions to win? Yup. Sorry but I’m looking out for myself and mine first. That $100 will turn into a minimum of $350.
As far as leaving negative feedback I don’t just do it on a lark. I strive to leave detailed and honest feedback. Im not going to leave a negative because I suspect something. I’m leaving it for those that have earned it through bad packaging combined with bad service. Scammers and people selling bootlegs usually get no mercy though.
He flat out told me he filled the large orders of 83, 100 , etc and didnt fill 50+ smaller orders. I made the very first purchase, why wouldn’t I be salty when my order wasn’t filled while 300 copies “supposedly” were? He didn’t say orders weren’t filled because of damage, he said he was blindly selling 400+ copies in “hopes” of getting the 600 he ordered.
So the seller is looking out for himself as well, so again, by your logic, they’re doing nothing wrong cause they can cancel pre-orders and sell them for a higher cost perhaps? Couldn’t a seller claim that you lying that you’re buying something for your non-existent “daughter” that they’re being scammed? You claim no harm but you also claim the seller likely walked away feeling good they sold something going to a kid, which was a complete lie. Would you want someone to lie to you to make the “sell”? How would you feel? It’s okay though right? As long as they’re doing it for themselves and looking out for their own interests first right?
Sorry, I still can’t justify lying in any circumstance to “get your what you want”… nothing good comes out of lying. No offense but I can’t back what you’re saying. It’s wrong and unethical if you ask me.
I agree. I purchased my comics when 10 were sold. I believe I was the 2nd order. Why would the 1st and 2nd get cancelled? Also note that we purchased at cover and then the price increased to $19.99 for a while. Then eventually back to near cover. But there were plenty of sales at $19. Did those get cancelled? I was monitoring this auction closely to determine demand, etc.
This is the epitome of negative feedback. I don’t give negative feedback as a vendetta. I give negative feedback when someone has been unusually bad.
Don’t feel bad though, Toddw says it’s okay cause they were likely looking out for themselves and own interests so it’s perfectly okay. At least he didn’t seem to lie to you and was probably honest by saying, hey, I sold to the big orders first, they wanted it more…
Two completely and incomparable things. The seller in my case got exactly what he wanted and was told a story by a complete stranger about it being a gift for a kid. A story that sealed the deal & expedited shipping. Yes they still have that good feeling because they don’t know the truth. You know the small lie about it being for a daughter when in fact it’ll probably go to my son when I die because I can’t sell my books.
The other seller that canceled all the small orders, 50 separate people, deserves negative feedback. Sounds like they canceled the small dollar amount sales in favor of the higher.
I’m not overly concerned about your feelings and how much it clearly upsets you because you’ve never told a lie. I have the courage to at least own it. So maybe take a deep breath and realize how unimportant it is before you get more upset.
I ordered the moment someone posted a link in the forums. I’m sure I ordered before a lot of people as well. People make mistakes. Orders get cancelled. People get refunded. I’ll be alright. I still see leaving negative feedback over this as just being salty your order didn’t get filled. If that is reason enough for you to leave negative feedback that is your choice. I just see it differently and don’t see a reason for it.
Which is not called for to begin with though. Why lie if it made no difference?
Again, what was the point of the story if it didn’t change how much he was charging in the first place? Sounds like you lied when you didn’t even need to lie.
Why, they likely told the truth? Maybe a neutral is warranted but not a negative if you ask me. Now if they tried to keep the money, then maybe they deserve a negative… The seller was probably thinking like you… "I’m looking out for myself and mine first. "… so there’s nothing wrong in what he did, he was trying to “seal the deal” in selling as many as he could.
That’s the thing, I’m just expressing my opinion on the matter. Nothing you’ve said “hurt me or my feelings”. I’m just trying to understand your logic by claiming one thing and arguing another. To me, you live with some double standards and I don’t understand your logic in lying to get what you feel is owed. To me, it’s wrong. Do I lie myself, sometimes but not for my own gain and never to “seal the deal” with complete nonsense stories to try and woo people to give me a deal on something.
Again, how would you feel if you found out you sold me something after I lied to you to “seal the deal”? You would be perfectly fine right? Since “I’m looking out for myself and mine first.” right? You have to admit, according to your logic, you will be perfectly fine being lied to in order to “seal the deal”…
I’m guessing Cancel Guy chose less work by shipping fewer boxes. Maybe kept more shipping money in his pocket as well. Terrible service, though, especially for the early orderers.
I had a guy tell me he was buying as a gift for his son once I even threw in a freebie for his boy. 2 weeks later I checked his selling items and they were all there. So now I’m never buying the BS! Not that I care what people do with things they buy from me. I’m profiting.
My point is, we hold sellers to a certain standard, as buyers, we should hold ourselves to the same standards. Honesty is the best policy… one day what you might think is a harmless lie will come back to haunt you… so to each their own.
If I’m honest in selling goods, I’m going to hold the same standards when buying goods. I’m not going to lie or try to squeak by just to score the deal. That makes one no better than the seller who’s throwing out white lies about products they’re selling. Everyone should do the same (stick to some standards) to make the world a better place if you ask me, particularly when it’s the act of exchanging goods or services.
Are they so different? Okay, imagine if a seller told you that 50% of the proceeds are going to his “daughter” who has medical bills. So you buy thinking you’re doing something good for a kid in need, thinking 50% is going to pay medical bills. But the seller wasn’t completely honest or dishonest but did lie about the medical bills since he has health insurance and only has to pay copays at $25 each, but he told you a little lie to “seal the deal” so you walk away feeling better about your purchase and he walks away with the full amount he was asking. Ethical? Yes, to your standards, you feel good not knowing the whole truth…
I guess in this case of the buyer just canceling orders, he could have just told a white lie of “hey, I ordered 600 but they only sent me 400, so I was allocated”, no foul then, since it was a harmless lie…
I had someone buy a, “Fallout,”-related limited edition hardcover strategy guide for Fallout IV for their teen once on eBay. It arrived damaged, but they said it was minor enough they weren’t worried as their kid would still like it and left me positive feedback before I could offer even a partial refund. I felt bad and mailed them some other limited Fallout stuff I had from a collector’s edition box set of Fallout: New Vegas. They appreciated it and even sent a pic through eBay of the bonus stuff decorating their kid’s room.
I don’t know why, but I was reminded of this with @ToddW talking about buying stuff for his nonexistent daughter. It is a negotiating tactic he uses, but one I myself don’t as I only say if something is actually for my kid, wife, or me. I think brutal honesty can be better sometimes. I have outright told people I am buying something to resell it and they go, “Oh? Well, I’ll sell you more of my stuff at a discount so I can get rid of it to one person for an easy profit and you can do the dirty work of shipping it to a bunch of folks.”
Oh, and @Toy_Maker, I did read it. I liked it. The comic is a lot like late-90’s and early 2000’s type of stuff, but the letters page from the “Alternate Universe,” the comic hails from is where stuff is really interesting. I like odd little storytelling gimmicks though. Your mileage may vary.
I’ll be honest, I love my mom but I grew up in a home where she told white lies after white lies and for no real good reason but to just lie. I myself try to be brutally honest with everything. Maybe I come off a little abrasive to some but it is what it is. I don’t feel the need to sugarcoat or lie to make people feel good. I’m on a strict honesty is the best policy. Too many times I grew up with some stupid lie that just came back to bite my mom in the arse and it was over something meaningless.
But I stand by the seller vs buyer standards discussion. If we hold sellers to such high standards, as buyers, we should hold the same standards for ourselves. The whole experience is a lot smoother without all the nonsense in lying to get what you want…
Yeah, it’s crappy the seller likely listed more books than he was able to get but thinking about it, sounds like he was being honest. Would I have done the same thing he did, only pack up the heavy buyers first to save myself time in packing up a bunch of one off orders? No, I’d try to do the first come, first serve approach. But at least he didn’t lie about it… cause when they’re caught in a lie, it makes it that much worse of you ask me.
