Pumping is a form of market manipulation. Thats why it is frowned upon.
If it was a person with a bigger platform, sure, but itâs some rando with a Facebook account.
It doesnât take much. How long does it take 130 so people who liked it to start doing the same thing. It will spread fast.
I donât think that is/was necessary.
He asked a legitimate question. Made legitimate points, (unless thereâs something going on behind the scenes here ).
It doesnât look good on your part if you just put up a wall.
I think itâs good to explore examples. I have lots of questions as wellâŠsome of them just for my own education.
The top picture is a shilled auction from the 14th. This was posted in a Facebook group as a pump post garnering nearly 60 likes and countless comments with virtually no pushback.
My first question (forgive me for my ignorance in advance), but what exactly is a âpump post?â
Is this a post where someone announce âhey everyone, come bid on my auction so we can make a crazy high sale.â And people actively (and admittedly) join in?
Or is this a post after the fact where someone makes comments that allude to that they may have had someone run it up for them?
Also, going to move this topic to another thread as itâs getting off topic a bit (in my opinion).
Maybe call it something generic as âsuspect sales.â
Just to clarify. Iâve never once contacted this person. Not once. All of our conversations have been public posts on this forum. Thatâs it.
EhâŠif they donât have a copy, I doubt theyâll do so. Plus I doubt all 130 people will continue to âseed the hype,â but Iâm open to be convinced if there is proof.
Interesting how if you put in the âcorrectâ spelling of Dâorc, you get a completely different set of results.
Nearly all raw pre-sales above $10 are âDorcsâ.
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Again, letâs be careful about claiming thereâs some widespread, coordinated collusion happening without any hard evidence thereof. Itâs far more likely people are just making really poor decisions with their money. A high priced fake sale or two wonât move the market if there are 20 cover price listings not selling.
Dorc is a bit of a phenomenon. We see these from time to time over the past few years. 2nd print books pre-selling for $40 is just bonkers though. Could those be fake? Sure. Iâd bet thatâs massive FOMO, and the 2nd print, when itâs available, wonât go nearly that high.
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The problem is there will never be any hard evidence, one way or the other, of a coordinated attempt. I pretty sure everyone realizes this too. All we have is common sense and intuition. The problem is few have the courage to call it as it looks, especially when it goes against self interest. It is a really bad look to be seen as attempting to suppress a logical opinion on this particular book.
Claims of criminal, fraudulent behavior without finding evidence. Is that courage or paranoia?
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There is nothing criminal about making a fake sale on eBay. Unethical, pathetic, but not criminal. Who is the victim of said fake sale?
According to your posts, there is widespread collusion in this hobby with just about every book that gets hot, leading to the mindless masses buying up any book at any price. No one actually wanted Dorc. But, fake sellers and fake buyers, apparently working together in some grand scheme, made it seem so incredibly valuable that every comic book hobbyist had to spend whatever dollars to get a copy.
I love me a good conspiracy theory, but Iâm not buying this. There are smart people that pay attention to this stuff. We seem to find out about every individual scam artist cracking open CGC books for profit. Are there assholes scamming people in this hobby? For sure. But, to a scale that would alter how comic books shops across the continent buy books? Every shop owner I know is talking about Dorc because of how wildly popular it is. You think an evil, coordinated network of crooks is why people are talking about this book? OK.
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There is plenty of weirdness in the hobby. For example:
Exquisite Corpses #1 A sells for $35-$40. B cover sells of less than cover.
Absolute Batman 5 sells for $40-70. Absolute Batman 5 1:25 sells for $19.99 but has the A cover under the variant cover.
It is incredibly easy to remove the outside covers of all b,c,d, and ratio DC comics without disturbing the staples.
(I think absolute ratios and alt covers will end up being very rare as a result.)
The timestamps on this this thread are âDorcâedâ lol
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Man, I really fâd the string above up. Itâs all out of order.
Should start worn the Swedish Chef meme.
@agentpoyo âŠclean up my mess, would ya?
I blame the ads that kept popping up making me screen jump all over the placeâŠ
But most of all I blame my incompetence.
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Like I said earlier there is never going to be definitive proof. Which is precisely the reason why some of you keep bringing it up. Because you know very well that, minus some one messaging me admitting it, that proof want ever exist. This isnât a court of law, proof beyond a reasonable doubt doesnât apply here. All you can do is use logic and reason. But no one here appears to want to do that because it might mess with profits. So I donât think continuing this conversation is healthy or productive for the above reason.
Iâve got no Dorc in this race, but Iâve been playing this game for a while, and it takes MUCH more than what you are pointing out to really move the needle on a book. Unfortunately, even when itâs blatant, thereâs really not much you can do.
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We will have to agree to disagree on how much it takes to move the needle. You are right about there being not much I can do. Also I still have a copy of Dorc so me saying these things is not in my best interest. Thanks for replyâs , take care.