I’m not going to get into it. (EDIT: Nevermind I DID get into it) My perspective is just a little different. I’m an immigrant from England. When I got here, I was bashed over the head with “America is Great” overtures at every turn.
It didn’t seem to really be that salient a point to me because I came from a place that was already pretty great at the time. It was peaceful, beautiful, and prosperous. Yeah, England has 1,000s of years of bloody history, but that’s all out in the open. Yeah, I never gave two rat shits about the monarchy (Good riddance you racist misogynist S.O.B., Philip), but it was easily ignored. We had free healthcare and didn’t worry about gun violence. So, I didn’t see the point of being told how great the place I came to was.
In the end, my family made more money here than in England. That’s probably the biggest takeaway for me. My aunt in Canada seems to do quite well.
It’s why I never really got into Captain America. I’ve never really understood why he had to so inextricably be linked to patriotism for a country. Or why he had to be one step removed from the military industrial complex at all times.
In the end, I was a British citizen who wasn’t standing for the pledge of allegiance in Oklahoma every morning because it didn’t make any sense. I didn’t have sole allegiance to one country. My homeland still had claim (and to this day, even though I’m a U.S. Citizen) through Jus Sanguinis citizenship. I’m not saying people can’t be proud of their country. I’m just saying that pride at a certain point turns to a certain blindness and willful ignorance for one’s faults.
I’d say the country who are the paragon example of paying penance would be Germany. There are more reminders of the atrocities they committed under the Nazi regime around them in daily life than they reasonably need. They even have Russian graffiti left intact inside the Bundestag to remind them that their sovereignty was revoked by force for their nationalistic sins.
No, nowhere is perfect. But I always think patriotism without reflection is too close to nationalism and it always needs to be watched.
I’m a black/ Irish/cherokee male in America that grew up thinking America Was great in the 80s in elementary school. Through imagery movies tv sports we were the freaking best and everyone else was evil… until I hit junior high(7th) grade. I actually learned what was done to the natives how they treated the asians. How the Irish were treated as immigrants and the Tuskegee experiments(Isaiah bradley) black wall street the bombing of a Philadelphia neighborhood the lies of wars for freedom lead by greed… and I can still say. I LOVE this country but I know how she has a dark side too.
Heh, like Spidey mentioned, go look up what we’ve done and still doing to Haiti (one example)… some really dark stuff America has done to that country, their politics… we’ll just leave it at that but let’s get on with the topic.
It’s more closer to nationalism in America. We have a decent portion of the country who would like to have people be fired or jailed or arrested or whatever for not standing for the National Anthem. Being able to do whatever you want during the national anthem is what America is about. Forced patriotism is weird and not actually American.
To be clear, I love my life here and I love all the opportunity that’s been afforded me, my wife, and my kid(s). I’m just under no impression that the place I live has some secret sauce that others aren’t already improving on.
Back to topic… this show is more than Just an MCU spectacle and I can see how some want that… but the topics they touch on PTSD, racism, world politics etc cant be overlooked as being apart of the recipe that makes this show great… TO ME. I’ll always respect other opinions and feelings for not liking something but for me I’m thoroughly enjoying this show.
I can say this thow… how much spec has come from this show so far as compared to Wandavision? This new episode Fri is going to be about 62min they say and is having a returning MCU character (War Machine my guess)
All I’m gonna say is “follow the money”. Don’t turn a blind eye because the truth and evidence leads you to a corrupt politician that you happen to be fond of.
If we can actually hold our elected (and unelected) officials to the same standards as regular citizens a lot of this crap would stop. Public servant means they need to SERVE us NOT the other way around. They write the laws and the skirt around them. Corruption and criminal behavior doesn’t know a gender, age, occupation or minimum income. It just happens that if you hold a position of corporate or political power and have enough money you can hide your corruption and criminal behavior a lot easier.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, both parties in this country are two sides of the same coin and that coin happens to be sitting in a pile of dog shit.
Don’t get me started with politics of the Baltic republics!..Seriously, just don’t!..because I have no idea about any of it and I will just be guessing. Ok, back on topic!
Knew plenty of “Steve Rogers” in the Corps. Gave me something to model myself after.
Sadly, I knew my fair share of John Walkers as well. Far too many come to think of it.
Our choices define us.
You do your best to keep the balance…just like the show. Doesn’t take too much to move the line from one side of the spectrum to the other.
I’m loving the show. I was never even a big fan of Sam or Bucky…but I like it. It’s deep.
I’m also glad I had all the keys already.
I appreciate this show has raised questions about Patriotism and what is means to be an American. It was like what Falcon’s sister said, about how Captain America represents an America that doesn’t care about her life, or something. I’m paraphrasing. I think that a show about superheroes could raise questions about politics, xenophobia, and the like shows how good a job they are doing.
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