Vaccine......Yes or No?

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#244

That is good. Your country needs more responsible gun owners.

Gun ownership and gun control are two wholly different topics. My country is a nation of hunters. The majority of our landscape is pristine bushland and flats where hunters regularly take up their hobby.

We have a high rate of gun ownership in my country, but we also have strict gun control laws that have allowed our children to attend school while feeling safe. We also have, as does every other wealthy nation in the world, a exponentially lower death rate from gun violence than the USA does. :man_shrugging:

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#245

Great debate so far.

Seems like like this guy might know a thing or two.

Why would the Former Pfizer Vice President and chief science officer Mike Yeadon say:

“PLEASE warn every person not to go near top up vaccines. There is absolutely no need to them."As there’s no need for them, yet they’re being made in pharma, and regulators have stood aside (no safety testing), I can only deduce they will be used for nefarious purposes.”

“For example, if someone wished to harm or kill a significant proportion of the worlds population over the next few years, the systems being put in place right now will enable it.”

“It’s my considered view that it is entirely possible that this will be used for massive-scale depopulation."

:shushing_face:

This guy is trying to get this word out but is being silenced with 1000’s of other doctors across the globe. Ask yourself why.

#246

Personally I love masks I see people all the time when my social battery is drained after work/life stuff and my excuse for not stopping to speak is that I didn’t recognise them

Edit - and that’s even if they notice it’s me with a cap, mask and hoodie on

#247

What’s his sources? What’s his academic credentials? What are your sources? And why do you trust him over the tens of thousands of global scientists who have said this vaccine is effective. This Mike Yeadon sounds like a conspiracy kook.

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#248

Ok, let’s dissect this shit and assign some facts.

Mike Yeadon was the VP of Pfizer’s UK unit of allergy and respiratory research, which was looking into asthma treatments mostly until it was shut down in 2011. He had nothing to do with vaccines, inoculations, viral research or anything related to COVID-19.

Since March of 2020, he has come out against masks, saying they do nothing. Many studies have proven otherwise. Research statistics are easily available. He has also said lockdowns are pointless in stopping the transmission of COVID-19. Research, once again, has shown the opposite. Now he is speaking out against vaccines, first initial doses and now top ups. He seems to speak regularly about it, but not too many people seem to listen to him.

So, I ask you Defx. Who is silencing him? Where are any facts to back up any of his claims? A simple Google search will show he is talking regularly, but will not yield any backing to what he is saying.

This guy seems, to me at least, to be fuelling some conspiracy theories with no basis with a 10 year old job title to add some credence to his bullshit. The facts are out there. Just look for yourself.

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#249

say controversial things and people put you on tv and give you interviews, and that can make you money.

#250

Seeing as millions of people around the world have been vaccinated and not many have died from the vaccines I would say this guy is a crackpot who is full of shit.

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#251

You are missing something. Like everything written in every other part of that link I posted. The only place where they use the word might is when talking about protecting other people around you who are not vaccinated. It clearly states it helps protect people from getting sick or severely ill with Covid-19. It might also help protect people around them. You kind of skipped over the entire thing and went right to the bolded part and said, see it only says might but it says effective at preventing Covid or helps stop Covid everywhere else except that one part. I would also just say that no vaccine is 100% so in reality every vaccine ever created can’t say it 100% stops a virus and a small percentage of people might still get sick and might still die from diseases/viruses that we have vaccines for. But we also know with 100% certainty that far more people die without the vaccines. The science and facts are right there in front of everyones face but people still have to try and put their own spin on it and discredit actual science with their junk science articles. Anyone in here arguing that Covid vaccines are not effective in stopping Covid are wrong and should not be taken seriously as the overwhelming evidence in clinical trials and other data so far says otherwise.

  • All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19 as seen in clinical trial settings.
  • Research provides growing evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines offer similar protection in real world conditions.
  • COVID-19 vaccination is an important tool to help stop the COVID-19 pandemic.
  • COVID-19 vaccination helps protect people from getting sick or severely ill with COVID-19 and might also help protect people around them.
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#252

I appreciate the response. For the record I’m not arguing they don’t work for what they’re intended to do, prevent hospitalization and death. And I’m 100% on board with the vaccines as the best option for keeping the severe cases to a minimum so that science can stay ahead of variants and maybe even effectively eradicate it. Wouldn’t that be awesome.

I’m just trying to be honest with what I’ve read what was or was not part of the trials. Which from what I read on the way they were conducted (at least the US ones) and what counts as a “case” in terms of efficacy is someone who was symptomatic AND tested positive. I don’t see where they tested asymptomatic in what I’ve read. They also didn’t test transmission. They very well could and I hope they do.

These are facts we all agree with (Y/N)? And I ask this seriously as I’ve not seen anything that contradicts this. But I’m not deep diving beyond the trusted sites either, I’ll admit that.

I’m just trying to stick to facts as how they are presented which seems consistent across the board. But the efficacy part has always been a bit confusing. As well as what someone defines as “getting Covid.”

I believe what that bullet in the CDC is saying (the effective at preventing Covid 19) is preventing severe Covid symptoms in terms of hospitalization and death, not necessarily preventing one from testing positive (I.e: being asymptomatic). But I’m going by what I’ve read and if someone has a source that clearly says otherwise I’d like to read it, and I mean that in a positive way.

But I’ll say again I’m pro vaccination and considered officially recognized as fully vaccinated as of yesterday at 3:15pm EST (2nd shot two weeks prior). Just trying to be honest with myself and others to the best
of my knowledge on what the vaccine was designed to do, what the trials consisted of in terms of developing data on efficacy, and what is confirmed or not confirmed at this time.

As far as the statement on the CDC website goes, I see it as consistent with the trials and known results to date, if one defines “getting Covid 19” in terms of developing symptoms and a severe response. But I don’t believe the results to date confirm it’s effectiveness in terms of preventing asymptomatic or testing positive and still potentially passing it to others.

In other words, the vaccines are saving lives, but unsure as to whether they can eradicate the actual Virus from the earth. It wouldn’t surprise me if Covid becomes and annual vaccine similar to the flu shot because of this coupled with not being able to achieve herd immunity in a timely manner due to the hesitancy of so many for various reasons.

I hope that clears it up where I was coming from. Again if I’m wrong and someone has a source please share.

#253

Yeah, he’s not being silenced, he’s just being ignored from peers and likely smarter more intelligent peers who actually understand the data presented and or seen themselves.

Unless the guy is in the lab, running tests with clinical trials himself with test results, then he’s as qualified as the next conspirator spewing crap from his chair on a podcast. These are not experts.

If you read this guys past controversial tweets, he’s been wrong every time. He predicted there would be no second wave of out breaks. What a moron… dude should be ignored, the only thing he’s doing is contributing to people thinking COVID is not a big deal and killing some in the process by preaching we should “ditch the mask, hold hands and embrace love” … :man_facepalming:

#254

Welsh population is 3.1 million and I think 1.9 million have been vaccinated and the worst story I’ve heard is from my girlfriends father he said he was ill for a day or two after and my friend said he had a dead arm :rofl:

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#255

Well, that’s the story here as well, second dose seems to give most what they feel is a bad cold. Now, long term effects we aren’t completely sure about but from past vaccines and the ingredients we know that are in them, the effects are probably way less likely than say getting COVID which people who had it are now seeing long term effects. Look at @mushu who claims his appetite has never fully come back after getting COVID. It certainly affects people different just like vaccines will but I’ll bet on the vaccine over a virus any day of the week and twice on Sundays! :wink:

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#256

Interesting article about this Yeadon… The ex-Pfizer scientist who became an anti-vax hero.

Seems it all started though when he petitioned the UK that the vaccine would cause infertility in women, but yet didn’t provide any evidence of such claims. So his whole notion to halt something is based on, here, I’ll quote it… " n o t h i n g "

Seems like the next biotech company he should start is one that saves brain cells, cause according to his peers, he’s a changed man over the past 20 years now with his dangerous views on COVID and vaccines. He should just take whatever money he has left from what eventually failed company and retire quietly instead of staying in the biotech industry… go enjoy life and not spew utter nonsense just to be in the spotlight.

Who’s the next crackpot we need to point out again who’s been debunked already on false claims and just hot air coming from their mouth? :wink:

#257

From my research, not one person has died as a result of getting the covid vaccine. Not one.

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#258

In fact, there were several women who became pregnant while being a part of the clinical trials. Directly contradicting the infertility claim. The one woman in that group who didn’t come to full term, was given a placebo during the trials.

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#259

That’s what happens when you just spew “hot air” and bring forth zero evidence to back your claims. You lose credibility real quick and should be “silenced” on twitter and other platforms with misinformation and lies.

#260

My Pillow Guy, literal crackpot, is next. lol.

#261

That guy… oh my. Mental Illness is real people… and that guy has a bad case of it. And his pillows suck too!

But lets try and stay on topic… Yes, I got my first dose. Gonna plan the second one. I collect and read comics but my other hobby is licking public hand railings so I’m really looking forward to getting back out in the world… :wink:

#262

I like to call this the “Rob Leifeld Approach.”

If everyone just ignores him, does he really exist? Or relevant?

Look at that, I spun this conversation into a comic reference.

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#263

Did you catch his interview on Jimmy Kimmel (or “Kimble” as MPG likes to call him). It was pretty good. And by good I mean funny.

Disappointed they didn’t follow through with being ensconced with pillows during the interview.