Bloodstone (#1 and the series in general) is my favorite Modern series by far. The covers of all 4 were excellent. I love that this series has heat since I got them for cover price minus my discount when they first came out. Deadline is another Marvel series that came out around the same time I would love to see heat.
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Yeah but some randos on youtube told me Nextwave is the book you SHOULD get for Elsa , iām sure theyāre a non biased source and arent just saying that to move copies 
People are pumping a book for a hair color change!? The sad thing is itās gone up in value, which is personally annoying. Iām a big Warren Ellis fan so the next wave series was on my to purchase list but itās gone up to much for me to buy.
Has anyone ever seen a newsstand copy of Boodstone #1? Iāve been looking for several years and have never seen one.
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On the Elsa topic, I finally found a copy of this at a shop for cheap. Wasnāt an easy find for me. Goes nicely with the Elsa collection as itās sort of a blog/journal comic written from her perspective.
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Yeah, thatās why. Iām sure itās not because the character is completely different in Nextwave, it isnāt just the hair color. But keep thinking every single mention of a book is a pump and dump. Thatās not getting old at all. Whatever rando said that on the interwebs just made an extra $200 on his 10 copiesā¦ how nefarious! No one has a longbox of Nextwave theyāre trying to unload, miss me with that, FFS.
@locksmithcomics
I have all of these books in quantity and have been a fan of Bloodstone since the beginning so Iām just asking to try to understand this angle Iām hearing from folks.
In what ways do you feel that Elsa is all that different from what she is presented as with ending of the Bloodstone series with issue #4? (other than the hair change). I simply donāt see the validity of the argument that Iāve been hearing in that regard.
I would agree that her presentation in Nextwave and thereafter (Legions of Monsters, etc) is that of someone more skilled, comfortable, confident, and established in a āheroā role, but all characters are going to progress over time.
Bloodstone is her origin storyā¦she wasnāt even aware of her true lineage or abilities, etc. Sheās learning and progressing as a character. By the culmination of the Bloodstone #4 she is the strong, cocky, bring it on character we see going forward. We even see a continuation of her British mannerisms and speech maintained in Nextwave āIf I have to beat up a lot of terrible little American proles today, Iām absolutely going to need more tea, darlingāā¦(one of many examples)
I donāt care about the pump and dump. I donāt care about what people collect and such. Iāll leave that for you and the others to continue to beat the dead horse about.
I simply donāt see how the argument that āshe isnāt remotely the same characterā holds water. She is āElsa Bloodstoneāā¦she can be written any which way an author wants, or drawn any which way an author wants but that doesnāt change who the character is.
Iām not being snarky and argumentative, honestly, Iām just curious in what ways you or anyone feels Elsa is ānot the same characterā from the one portrayed in her origin story in Bloodstone 1-4 outside of the facets I mentioned above?
Regards
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I see it like characters like Lobo or deadpool. Lobo didnāt become the edgy vulgar character most people know till years later after his debut but omega men 3 is still his first appearance. Deadpool didnāt become the zany whacky Deadpool till much later but new mutants 98 is still his first appearance. Its very common for characters to go through changes in terms of characterization or design but ultimately Bloodstone 1 is Elsas first appearance
So why does no one care or spec on when a character like Black Widow who has already been in 10 movies switches her hair from red to blonde, but spec on a obscure character with not even a media announcement when she changes her hair from blonde to red?
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imo it garbage spec being pumped by people who missed the boat on her 1st app
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Garbage spec is still spec!
A lot of people (like me) canāt afford to go in on the big, established characters. I need to spec on the newer characters.
I donāt know if I quite get the love for this Bloodstone book though. I think Iād rather have a Yelena first app 9.8 than Elsa. Sheās got a known bright future within the MCU.
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One meme to explain those who pump such booksā¦
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I gotta say that @locksmithcomics isnāt necessarily wrong here, guys. If somebody is willing to pay more than you did for a book because of the info theyāre getting from a particular channel, more power to them and good on the guy who made a buck on the book.
Iāve got a bunch of ridiculous firsts over on WookyWiki.com. Anybody care about the first appearance of a bantha or a nerf in comics? Probably not, but itās there if somebody does care. Not saying people should buy those things, but itās there.
Spidey has had different costumes pop in price and a lot of that probably arises from most peoplesā inability to buy an Amazing Fantasy 15 and wanting something culturally relevant in their collection. Wolverineās X-Force suit first popped for a second a couple times over the years. These things happen. People care about these things.
This site is primarily about making some money flipping books. So, beyond mitigating how much we invest in books, we probably shouldnāt judge our buyersā desire for a particular book too harshly.
Arguably every hyped ratio variant is āgarbage specā if weāre judging the guts of a book. ASM 55 Gleason we head cover was the most horrendously boring dialogue with no action for 20+ pages. We all flip hot cover art every week though.
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Some people collect hair changes, cool covers, rarity, and first meetings, I collect first appearances and first covers. Insert generic bs line ācollect what makes you happyā Difference is someone doesnāt have to talk up first appearances and first covers in order for it to be wanted. Not to knock what anyone else collects but in a bad economy you will see what happens to first meetings, costume changes, name changes, even popular modern characters first appearances meanwhile golden, silver and bronze Age major keys will continue to see gains in a bad economy. I actually like Next Wave not because of Elsa Bloodstone but first appearance of the team Agents of Hate. As for it being a retcon to the character Elsa and some new version no not at all.
I actually know next to nothing about NextWave so youāre probably right. If somebody is buying a book on incorrect info, then THAT is unfortunate.
books that get hot only because a youtuber hypes them up never stay up in value, the youtuber moves on to the next pump while the old book plummets in value
For a site about comics heating up, we do tend to get our undies in a bundle when comics heat up in ways we donāt approve of.
We all (or some) went bonkers for a hot second about Marvel Snapshots: Civil War because of a powerless guy literally named Helper. 
No one else was really talking about this book. Iām convinced the only reason it had a 2-day interest spike was because of us talking about it here. So, I donāt think weāre necessarily innocent.
But, in my book, thatās ok. We hoped it would have value, so we created that urgency. Didnāt pan out. But, so what? I donāt get too worked up about people speculating about books and causing price spikes. Itās part of the hobby, and to be honest, a part I enjoy.
Now, to be transparent, I donāt have a warehouse filled with blue chip keys. Maybe Iād feel differently if I did?
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Watch Helper be in the new Ms Marvel runš
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That the Snapshot: Civil War book didnāt go (or hasnāt yet gone) anywhere is ameliorated somewhat by the fact that that was a great story on its own.
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