It’s all about what CGC says 
I kid; but I’m actually not fully kidding
That’s where we’ve gotten to
They even generally wait for the market to decide, unless it’s clear cut
Yep.
I realize most don’t feel this way, but I really wish they would stay out of that area of the hobby. Just stay out. Obviously put the grade, Year published and creative team. A grading company is a grading company; not a 1st appearance / cameo / whatever authority.
Sometimes if enough people bbitch, CGC will roll over
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Like with acetategate? They rolled over good.
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You can KISS my @$$.
But you can’t even have a cameo unless you appear.
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Ok ok. We need some official guidelines, I say if you don’t see the crotch, it’s not a full appearance. Waist up is a cameo. I would like to say you need to see the whole character for first appearance, but since Liefeld never drew feet, none of his characters’ first appearances would qualify.
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We need to start using the correct terms. How can a first appearance be a cameo? Let’s start using brief because it makes much more sense.
Cameo-
a small character part in a play or movie, played by a distinguished actor or a celebrity.
“there are a number of celebrity cameos”
a small but noticeable part in a film or play, performed by a famous actor
The key words being distinguished, famous, popular, etc. by definition it can’t be a cameo because they were unknown characters when they first appeared. So let’s go with brief first appearance instead of cameo.
Works for me. I’m just trying to lay the foundation of first, second, third and so on for appearance. Then the more granular can be used if necessary to describe the type of appearance. Cameo, brief, shadow, hand, no feet, etc… 
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And yes, I dislike the word ‘cameo’ when it comes to first appearances for comic book characters. They’re unknown prior to the appearance, so cameo doesn’t even make sense. It only makes sense if say, Superman shows up in a Batman comic and it’s like a last page appearance… that’s a “cameo” appearance. 
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I’m coming to break you out of your prison!!
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I really need to get a flow chart going for comic book appearances.
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There is no technical need to even use “cameo”. They are all appearances.
The whole point in calling a first appearance a cameo is so that people can justify spending more money on an a 2nd or later appearance because comic book nerds are that insecure.
Otherwise you would see a 2nd appearance listed as a “first cameo appearance” when the first appearance is considered “full.”
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This is a cameo.
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True, trying to establish how to describe the first, second, third and so on appearances. But in the end, they should all revert back to, is it a first, second… first cover… and so on.
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Don’t need to change your mind on that one… it’s true. It’s the second time he’s shown up and first time on a cover. 'Nuff said bub!
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Cameo had some hits. Fun band.
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